 I'm in a debate (think aneumgrt) with someone who is part of category 2.  What I finally realized is that they represent a bad society meme.  The, "I suffered, so you should too."  Which of course, for any thinking person, this is a ludicrous statement.  Just because that's the way it has always been done doesn't make something right.  It just makes it stupider.  This is no way to build a better society.  Of course, the woman that I'm in the discussion with keeps emphasizing that there are much worse things in the world than one little boy.  I answer that by pointing out that if you don't nurture the young of the next generation, then there's no reason why things should ever get any better for anyone on a large scale basis.  She doesn't seem to understand that.